Ireland a History Part 2 ~ Robert Kee en.wikipedia.org

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  • Burncourtable:

    no Irish catholic would ever call it “London” fuckin Derry. Its Derry city and always will be. what a joke

  • nilbud:

    @ZkaB Actually it’s Derry, you should learn to spell.

  • TheSoulboy90:

    @jarsonist
    Yeah I see what you mean! They are even wearing the Stewart tartan? Brainless, historically challenged idiots! The Highlanders & the Catholic Irish WERE the Jacobites? The very folk their King Billy opposed! These idiots are wearing the wrong bloody uniform & are too thick to see it!

  • TheSoulboy90:

    @jarsonist
    The Scots Hielanders had been the allies & mercenaries of the Ulster Chiefs since the 13th Century. The best soldiers that money or land could buy! So they were a known threat even then, and they, (the “Gallowglass” warriors) were seen as a threat to England, and had to be defeated. So Lowland Prods fought Hieland Taigs!
    The rest they say is history!

  • TheSoulboy90:

    @jarsonist The Stewarts were the last Catholic monarchs. Mary Queen of Scots, who Elizabeth had beheaded was the mother of James the 6th/1st! Lowland Scots had experienced the Reformation of Calvinism & John Knox, and for religious reasons, not ethnic reasons, opposed Catholicism or Popery as they saw it!

    The Highlanders still supported the Catholic House of Stewart, of james 2, and that’s why they were called the “Jacobites”, the supporters of James Stewart!

  • jarsonist:

    I’m confused! The narrator says that the Derry protestants are the descendents of Scottish settlers. However, they are celebrating the destruction of the Scottish House of Stuart. The Scottish Highlanders attempted to restore the Stuarts twice, in 1715 and 1745 but were defeated. The defeat in 45 led to Highland dress being banned. Why are these descendents of Scottish Lowlanders celebrating the destruction of Highland culture but yet appropriate Highland costume and instruments to do so?

  • homerbhoy1:

    how about **** of home to london if yous like it so much ???

  • gordieK:

    How about Derry London for london? a fair trade.

  • Nuiceltico:

    So Derry is an old walled city was later sieged,called ‘London-Derry’ is this a dated a bit deary, seventies? biased pompous UK narrated documentary as it does not seem to be aware of the past troubles these colonial marches caused?

  • LeviFOE:

    Yeah that should piss us off. Really annoy us to such a proportion that we will all cry.

  • finwinstheylose:

    will they ever **** off home

  • ZkaB:

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  • SPGB:

    Oh dear. Isn’t it sad that, after 470-odd years, we don’t seem to be able to agree on the name of our own city ?!

    Arguments for or against any topic are not enhanced by swearing, so I will make my points without these.

    Let’s call it “Derry/Londonderry” for the sake of this email comment (or “Stroke City” for those who have apoplexy every time they see the “London” word). Derry/Londonderry dates back to the middle of the 6th century. The Irish word Doire or place of Oaks (the symbol of Derry/Londonderry is an oak leaf) was translated to the English word “Derry.” However, up and down the centuries it has had prefixes (such as London, to mark the “plantation” of Derry in the 17th century and the fortification of the city walls) and suffixes (such as Doire Calgach and later, Doire Colmcille in recognition of the founding of the ancient city in the mid 600s AD by St. Colmcille: St. Columba)added, in recognition of differing aspects of its history.

    The fact is that Derry/Londonderry is a beautiful place with a wonderful history. It has been the foundation stone of the spread of christianity in Europe (when St. Columba founded his monasteries in Holy Island an beyond), been invaded by Vikings, fortified by Londoners, besieged by supporters of King James in the late 17th century and before that blown to bits by medieval English explosives (when the magazine blew up). It has seen men from teh city go off to the first world war war in support of “Derry” in the British Army’s 32nd Division and at the same time in support of “Londonderry” in the British army’s 16th Division. Half of the German U-boat fleet tied up along the Quays and witnessed a 20th century siege outside its walls.

    All of us and our ancestors, of whatever tradition, have made the city what it is today. Beautiful. Historic. Colourful. Musical. Fun. Our Derry accents are made up of all sorts of sounds, influenced by peoples far and wide.

    As one of our poets once said “From our birthday ’til we die/Is but the blinking of an eye”.

    We have better things to do with the fairly short time we have on this planet to argue about the name of our beloved home town and tell each other what the place should be called.

    If you want to call it Derry – great ! If you want to call it “Londonderry” – great !

    If you have a huge problem with either name, I suggest you address the problem the way the Americans have. They built two towns “Derry” in New Hamsphire and Londonderry in New Hamshire, about 2 miles from each other.

    Lighten up and enjoy our beloved home town.

    SPGB.

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