Celtic Moment

Throughout history we were all taught that the noble Scottish, Welsh and Irish came from the “Celts” and that the English were invading “Anglo Saxons”.

However there have been some studies in recenet years [try googling 'stephen oppenheimer'] that traces the ‘Y’ chromosone gene [basically the male line, from father to father to father and on and on] and found that the vast majority of English are genetically the same tribes that inhabited the UK and Ireland before the Anglo-Saxons AND the Celts invaded.

In the southern and eastern parts of England the people are slighty related to this tribe because invaders CHANGED the gene of the English by taking wives etc

How do Irish Americans feel about this? Particularly aimed at the Irish-Americans who believed the English to be another race.

Originally posted 2011-09-30 14:21:45.

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Originally posted 2010-09-25 19:20:06.

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Really difficult to answer considering the commoness of that name, but any info would be awesome?

From what region did they typically come from? What were their usual jobs?

I really need to know for the history project im doing…please help!!!

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Originally posted 2010-10-08 19:56:17.

so according to wikipedia, most people in England arent actually anglo-saxons but indigenous people descending from hunters that moved there just after the ice age.
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so now they are looking at history and saying things such as “they only came over in small numbers and became the ruling class similar to that of the normans and romans so they couldnt have replaced most of the population”. well i thought the anglo-saxons moved there because the land was perfect for farming? and not to make money like the romans and normans.
also just because they moved there in small numbers doesnt mean they didnt have an impact on the population. british/english settlers went to america in generally small numbers but over a few generations the colonies had triple the population of the mother country.
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but if the english are actually prehistoric hunters and gatherers than what about the scottish and welsh?

so please clear a few things up for me because i dont entirely trust wikipedia.

also if this is true than doesnt that make Nick Griffin correct about the indigenous people of britain?
so these new studies arent exactly correct? or is it some sort of propaganda, because on one website i went on they were praising Nick Griffin… im not sure what to believe.

because when i look at most english people they seem germanic, i know that im mostly of germanic descent because my father has german heritage and my mothers half austrian/hungarian… but most english people i know look either germanic or celtic so what did these ancient people look like?