Celtic Moment

If so, what can you tell me about the history of some Burtons in Wales?

Really difficult to answer considering the commoness of that name, but any info would be awesome?

From what region did they typically come from? What were their usual jobs?

I really need to know for the history project im doing…please help!!!

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Originally posted 2010-10-08 19:56:17.

so according to wikipedia, most people in England arent actually anglo-saxons but indigenous people descending from hunters that moved there just after the ice age.
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so now they are looking at history and saying things such as “they only came over in small numbers and became the ruling class similar to that of the normans and romans so they couldnt have replaced most of the population”. well i thought the anglo-saxons moved there because the land was perfect for farming? and not to make money like the romans and normans.
also just because they moved there in small numbers doesnt mean they didnt have an impact on the population. british/english settlers went to america in generally small numbers but over a few generations the colonies had triple the population of the mother country.
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but if the english are actually prehistoric hunters and gatherers than what about the scottish and welsh?

so please clear a few things up for me because i dont entirely trust wikipedia.

also if this is true than doesnt that make Nick Griffin correct about the indigenous people of britain?
so these new studies arent exactly correct? or is it some sort of propaganda, because on one website i went on they were praising Nick Griffin… im not sure what to believe.

because when i look at most english people they seem germanic, i know that im mostly of germanic descent because my father has german heritage and my mothers half austrian/hungarian… but most english people i know look either germanic or celtic so what did these ancient people look like?

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I bought the Sun today, and as I turned to the back pages I noticed that 5 pages had been donated to coverage of the England vs Trinidad and Tobago friendly tomorrow.

On the same night Wales are playing against the mighty Holland in another friendly. Yet there isn’t a single word in the paper on that match.

Let’s compare the two matches:

England are playing against a minor team in world football in a match that doesn’t matter. They will probably field half a team, and the result will not matter unless T&T actually beat them.

On the other hand Wales are playing against a team that qualified for Euro 2008. Wales will play one of their youngest teams in their history against these giants of world football. Yet again the result won’t matter, unless Wales win!

If anything there is a bit more significance to the Welsh match!

How then does England get so much coverage in the media whilst Wales getts nothing? Aren’t we both meant to be equal members of the UK? English bias?

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Celtic nationalism. But Scots, Welsh, Cornish and Irish people are not Celts, this has been proven with genetics and lack of archaeological evidence (no suggestion of a mass invasion of Celts).

These people have rich cultures and rich history. They want to revive their archaic languages because English is seen as the language of people who invaded them in the past.

First of all, Lowland Scots spoke a form of English through their relations with Northern England. Highland Scots spoke Scottish until the 18th century.

Secondly, the Celtic languages are also languages of invaders.

So what is the point? just stick with English, which should really be called British because the modern English language evolved through out the British isles.
No their languages died out, now they are trying to revive them.

Is that tradition? don’t think so.
The Gaelic languages of the British isles are slightly different to eachother, that is why I say Scottish, Irish, Welsh and Cornish.

NO they are not descendant from Celts. As I said in the question genetic studies and archaeological evidence shows they are not celts… NOT CELTS

I’ve noticed a lot of Welsh, Irish, Northern Irish and Scottish people always deny themselves as part of Britain, a lot of them hate and criticise England, are disgusted by being under the same category as it, and from what I’ve seen online, almost every Irish, Scottish and Welsh person brag about their culture, have usernames related to it and go on and on about themselves and their country.

Do you see me or any English people coming online, slagging off the Welsh, Irish or Scottish, writing stuff in Cornish, going on about English history and pride in our culture and giving ourselves usernames to do with England? NO, YOU DON’T.

It’s OK to love your culture and take pride in your country, I do take pride in England and I also have admiration for the Scottish, Welsh and Irish and I do truly feel that we are all British united (Ireland needs to join Britain, they’re just making excuses to not be involved with the English because its a self-obsessed nation). We’re all part of the same thing and I don’t know why non-English Brits or Irish hold things against us for events that happened centuries ago, or deny themselves to be connected to us and part of Britain and thinking of Britain as “England” simply. I find it unfair.

Now I imagine I’ll be getting Scots, Welshmen and Irishmen on here having a go at me, going on about how great their culture is and how England is an atrocity.