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  • gaconnochie:

    “by the nature of a country it must be sovereign and autonomous” That may be your definition of what a country is but the Concise Oxford doesn’t restrict it to that. And I’d suspect the vast majority of Englishmen as well a Scots etc would disagree with you. Are you really saying England isn’t a country? What is it then. A region?

  • Thomas Carlile:

    Many people would say that, but they’re all wrong. You cannot have countries within a country, because by the nature of a country it must be sovereign and autonomous, which it cannot be if it is part of another unitary state.

    It does make for self-determination, the Scottish are British, as am I, and I have just as much right to vote on whether my country is broken up as they do, is it right that 9% of the country can decide for the other 91% whether their country can continue to exist?

  • gaconnochie:

    Many people would say that the UK is a united state made up of different countries. All by the by though. It is recognised in the UK that the differing peoples have the right to self determination. A vote on your future where you are only 9% of the electorate voting doesn’t make for self determination. The UK allows its member parts self determination. And that it is a great principle!

  • MrZambology:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • Thomas Carlile:

    Mouse wins!

  • MrZambology:

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • MrZambology:

    You aroused my curiosity I wiki-ed the Scottish election results.
    The SNP polled 45% of the votes in the 2011 elections.
    David Cameron could only dream of those types of numbers.

  • MrZambology:

    So the lib-dems got what?
    6’5% of votes and 3’8% of the seats?
    I would call that annihilated wouldn’t you?
    Who cares what they got obviously the people of Scotland don’t want anything to do with them.
    What about the Tory scum how did they poll?
    You’ve more than proved my point.
    Cheers.
    .

  • Thomas Carlile:

    You can’t comment anymore because I just destroyed every argument you put forward, nice way to dodge around it but you didn’t fool anyone. And if you were bright enough to read my comment you’d have noticed that I was referring to the type of PR you use, which means that votes are unfairly calculated, hence the Lib Dems got 6.565% of the vote and 3.88% of the seats, I was talking about % not seats, something you missed. So I suggest you do back away now before you embarrass yourself further.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    It’s not just about Scottish people voting on independence, you’re breaking Britain in two, without the consent of the rest of the British people. It’s not fair for you to split Britain in two without the hole of Britain voting on it. Scottish people had their say in the 2011 General Election and a Conservative-Liberal coalition was formed through a representative democracy, something you are trying to throw off and bypass by claiming independence without allowing the whole to country to vote.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    No you’re talking out of your arse. 276,652 Scottish people voted Conservative, over a quarter of a million, and if you “unanimously” voted SNP how is it that only just over half the seats in the Scottish Parliament are SNP ones. It’s a vote of Devolution Maximum, so you’ll still me part of Britain, use the pound, share armed forces and have the Queen as your head of state, only you’ll make your own decisions of fiscal and public policy matters.

  • MrZambology:

    Can’t comment with you anymore, Scotland does have PR. You’re either a “troll bott” mad or delusional, sorry mate you need to get your facts right. SNP 69 seats, Labour 37 Tories 15 that’s the current situation in Hollyrood. Check, WIKI, BBC or Scottish parliament. If you can’t back up you’re ideas with accurate data how are you going to debate rationally on the referendum?

  • Thomas Carlile:

    And actually at present you use a electoral system that rejoices under the name of Mixed-Member Proportional Representation, in 2011 the SNP received an average over both Regional and Constituency votes of 44.895% and yet got 53.49% of the seats, the Conservatives got 13.135% of the vote and 11.63% of the seats, and most shocking of all the liberal democrats got 6.565% of the vote and only 3.88% of the seats. If you look at the percentages if you were under PR the SNP wouldn’t have a majority.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    No you won’t, the 2014 referendum is a vote on devo-max, not independence, and if you do you’re country will collapse anyway, at the moment you’re reliant on British subsidies to keep your country afloat, when you’re gone you’ll lose your public services, you won’t have an army, and your taxes will go through the roof. You most likely won’t be accepted into the EU (they have enough small economically volatile countries) and you’ll be crying to Britain in a few years to bail you out.

  • MrZambology:

    Thank’s for pointing that out to me, we’ll be a country again after 2014. And your information is way out. We have proportional representation in Scotland the system was designed to stop anybody getting a parliamentary majority but the SNP did it. 69 seats to labours 37 to the Tories 15. That’s an outrageous majority. The country called the “UK” won’t exist by 2015 enjoy it while it lasts.

  • MrZambology:

    You’re a maniac, read my earlier post, we didn’t vote Tory in Scotland they were annihilated, we’re not interested in them we know they’re scum. We unanimously voted SNP who were elected on a mandate to have an independence referendum. So the democratically elected government of Scotland are honoring their manifesto pledge to have an independence vote, that’s nothing to do with anybody else anywhere in the world apart from Scotland. Do you understand now?

  • Thomas Carlile:

    And the British government is a representative parliamentary democracy elected under universal suffrage, and you have no right to try and depose a majority democratically elected government that acts within the law and does not violate the rights or civil liberties of its or any other citizens. Your rhetoric and ethos and that of the SNP is very much an undemocratic one, the trouble with ignoring calls for referenda and trying to throw off democratic governments is it makes you undemocratic.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    They got a majority of seats but not a majority of votes, they’re not the same thing. Do you know what a country is? I take it from your response you don’t, a country is a nation with a government that is both sovereign and autonomous. Scotland isn’t a country because it’s an area of land within a country called the United Kingdom, and the central government of the United Kingdom is supreme and any administrative divisions exercise only powers that Westminster choose to delegate, and can revoke.

  • MrZambology:

    You get your facts right the SNP got an overwhelming majority at the last election.. Scotland is part of the UK but we’re a country, hopefully soon to be independent and I can assure the outcome will be democratically decided by the people of Scotland, with no input from David Cameron or anybody else from Westminster, they’re incompetent, lying, warmongering scum and we don’t want anything to do with them. Soar Alba.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    No because the EU isn’t a country (yet)

  • Thomas Carlile:

    It’s not a different country, Scotland hasn’t been a country since 1707 (Acts of Union), brush up on your history. Scotland is part of Britain as is England, and Britain is my country as much as it is yours so I have a right to vote on whether it is split in two. However France is a different country to Britain and so the French don’t have a right to vote on whether another man’s country is torn in two, so your analogy is void. And actually the SNP didn’t get a majority of votes last election.

  • MrZambology:

    Unfortunately “the tiny proportion of people” hate the Tories, and would rather be independent than have anything to do with them. The past couple of Westminster governments have been utterly corrupt, The point I was trying to make is, Scotland might be a part of the UK at present but it is a different country from England, Ireland and Wales. The SNP were elected with an overwhelming majority and part of their manifesto was to have the referendum So the France England analogy’s relevant.

  • Thomas Carlile:

    Why would I let the French vote on that? They’re not part of Britain, the point I was making is that it’s not fair if only a tiny proportion of people (in Scotland) are able to vote on whether Britain as a country is torn in two, when all the other citizens of the United Kingdom will also be directly affected and will have their country broken up.

  • MrZambology:

    Would you let France vote on English independence?

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